The description is not precise: The Reams on these tuners are actually 8.8 and not 8.5 mm. That means that they are exactly the same as the GOTOH tuners, which I compared to and they're both exactly the same with the Japan stamped in the back. So these are not 8.5 they're more like 8.8 diameter Reams...They will both fit in vintage holes which I believe 11/32 (~8.7mm) but I found Gotoh Tuners to be a little bit less wobbly. Like I said They are both the same but the Gotoh come with a pressing tool which is pretty neat. In comparison the Fender vintage Tuners come with reams which are about 9 mm.
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